Thursday 14 July 2011

Ericsson Telecommunications Sam Media Services Scam Update

I mulled over what I could do about Sam Media Services for the past few days. In the end, I decided that my best bet was to email M1 about the incident.

If all else fail, I was prepared to go find an MP (Member of Parliament) to get the matter resolved. I don't care if I am not a citizen and do not have the right to vote. My husband votes and my daughter will be voting in ten years' time.

This is my feedback to M1 on their 'Comments' page:

I have received my latest bill. On it indicates that I need to pay for 'Value Added Services' by Ericsson Telecommunications - Sam Media Services for 7 access at $42 for the month between May and June 2011.

It turns out to be my daughter's number 8xxxxxxx that's being charged.

I asked my daughter what it was about and realised that she has been duped into 'requesting' for the service at $6 per sms! My daughter is just 11 years old. I signed her up for this new M1 line and an iPhone for her birthday in April this year and this is what I get in return.

I am very upset. I have called Ericsson Telecommunications and the person over the line refused to waive the payment while my email to them went unresponded.

I have spoken to your staff over the phone and according to him, the company was only willing to waive half of the payment off the bill.

To date, I have not paid my bill as I am not willing to pay for that ridiculous, non-existent service.

This is my first time signing up with M1 upon hearing good comments from friends. I am disappointed and indignant that M1 is providing this kind of service to its customers. For my years with Singtel, I have never encountered such a ridiculous matter - charging an underaged for $6 per sms without any parental consent.

I have terminated that 'value added service' from Ericsson Telecommunications since 2 July so I reckon the charges would apply till then.

I hope I can receive a satisfactory reply from your side.


The very next day, I received a reply from M1:

Dear Ms x

Thank you for your email of 12 July 2011. Our attempts to contact you since 12 July 2011 at 9xxxxxxx were unsuccessful.

We note your concern with the Ericsson Telecommunications - Sam Media Service charges reflected in your 19 June 2011 invoice. We thank you for bringing this incident to our attention and sincerely apologise for the inconvenience and frustration caused by this matter.

Please allow us to clarify that the activation of Third Party services is initiated directly by customer with the Third Party Content Provider. We note that you have contacted Ericsson Telecommunications pertaining to their the services.

We wish to clarify there is an unbilled charged of $24 for Ericsson Telecommunications - Sam Media Service. These charges were incurred prior to your instruction to Ericsson Telecommunications to terminate the services. In appreciation of your support, we have waived the amount and will be reflected in your forthcoming invoice.

It is our pleasure to be of service to you.

If you have other queries, please contact our 24-hour Corporate Customer Contact Centre at 1622 (+65 9680 1622). Or you may write to us at http://csfeedback.m1.com.sg.

Please do not reply to this mailbox as this email address is used for outgoing replies only.

I was perplexed why they stated that they would waive just $24 and not the $42 that I requested. William explained to me that on top of the $42 that I was billed for the month between May and June, there was another charge of $24 between June and July and they would only waive that amount.

I called up M1 at 1622 and spoke to a customer service personnel, Jamie.

After explaining my situation and having the waiver of $24 to me, I told her I wanted the $42 to be waived as well.

She said that her colleague I spoken to the first time had arranged for half the amount to be waived.

I said I wanted the full amount to be waived.

She got me waited on the line for a while and when she came back, she said that she would waive the amount on my iPhone subscription so in substance, I was not charged by Ericsson Telecommunications.

So last night, I made my bill payment, a happy customer and thus the dust is settled.

All in all, it took 3 tries ie. one call, one email and one call to M1 to get the problem solved. WhileI am satisfied with the outcome, I thought it would have been more impressive if M1 had responded favourably to my feedback the first time I enquired.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hi, I work for a competitor of Ericsson and hear of stories about attempts for waiver on a daily basis, and to put it bluntly, your chances of getting the waiver is very slim, if not nonexistent.

I have heard of MP Letters, Police Reports and even IDA requests, but no wavers were given.

The main reason is that everything is in accordance to IDA guidelines, and in the eyes of the law this is a legal service, where everything is stated clearly and visibly.

Rain said...

Thanks for dropping a line!

I did get a waiver : ) after two calls and an email to M1 if you'd read my post. My bill was $118 before the waiver and when I went to make payment, it was about $48. In any case, I'll check my next bill's statement again to make sure the amount was waived. Thanks for sharing!

JJ Foo said...

Hi, can anyone tell me what is this charges that i have been in oversea and get monthly charges for my 12years boy hp for monthly of almost $50 in additional since May till now. when i realise last 10days when all our lines being cut off by M1 due to the extra charges that i didnt pay as standing order, and i realised that i have been charged from Ericssion telecommunication for the past 4 months almost S$180??!!
same thing asked my son but he said he didnt download anything?? and this never happen in singtel and why M1 asking me to look for Ericsson?? really strange and funny!!

Rain said...

Hi JJ,
Did you check your son's handphone on Ericsson Telecommunication's messages? My kid also said she didn't download anything but if your kid had replied to some devious messages from Ericsson telecommunication, chances are you'd be charged at an exorbitant rate. Do write in to M1 like I did and see what they say.

Anonymous said...

Hi,

This is how they did it, from an ad posted on engadget.com on Sep 29 for e.g. (the ad might be gone by then), the ad shows semi nudity to entice young men to click on them, then it redirect to a page that entice the visitor to win an iphone. It will ask for your mobile number (which likely they are either to spam you or send you text message to entice you), on the web page they will ask you to text to their paid subscription number. If you do it, you are hooked.

For your reference:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/28/amazon-silk-mobile-browser-spins-a-faster-mobile-web-courtesy-o/

http://ad.mozzi.biz/index.php?data=SG_COLORIPHONE4_SALE.swf&adscode=sg_sale_v5_tlv&affid=TLV&sem=N&type=NM&context=157207525

There is very little that the consumer can do anything because Singapore LAW is pro-business not consumer. Even the anti-spam ACT is weak. There is little rights to be a consumer.

Anonymous said...

Hi,

In addition, the Telcos clearly knows that SAM Media service is legally right but morally scammy, quote their fine print here:

"This is an ongoing subscription service until you quit.Please seek parental/guardian approval if you are 18 years old and below.To subscribe, text 'SALE' ,to unsubscribe, text 'SALE STOP' & send to 77877.Weekly subscription. Min. SGD14/WKWeekly subscription. Quiz game. Minimum 1 chargeable SMS per day, 7 chargeable SMS per week. Upon answering each question, you will receive the next chargeable SMS at SGD2 each.Only 1 winner will be determined by the fastest & highest accumulated points to win the item.Only open to all postpaid and SingTel,M1 prepaid users.More info,call 6880 8590 from Mon - Fri, 9.30am – 5.30pm.IDA PRS Code applies.SMS service provider : Sam Media Pte Ltd".

Because the Telco is a the receiving party for minimum 1/3 of the charges, it is a very lucrative business so they are not motivated to be stringent against the service provider like SAM Media Pte Ltd.

You have already got your charges waived so I am leaving this message for any victim who google for answer what they can / should do.

Fortunately, because they are running a lucky draw scheme, SAM Media Pte Ltd need to have Private Lotteries Permit from the Singapore Police Force : http://www.spf.gov.sg/licence/frameset_PLA.html
Just file a police report.

If they don't then they are against the law. So the SPF will take action against them, and it will be a serious crime to run a lucky draw scheme without a permit in Singapore. They will be dealt with heavily.

Even if they do but they do not publish the winners in any form, they are suspicious of running a scam. The SPF will investigate and have their license suspended.

I doubt going to CASE is useful because you need to pay to file a complaint, what a bummer for consumer rights.

Hope this helps the Singaporeans...please publish this comments.

Anonymous said...

To an adult the modus operandi is very clear cut.

http://ad.mozzi.biz/index.php?data=SG_GROCERYVOUCHER.swf&adscode=sg_win_v5_lp&affid=LP&sem=N&type=NM

The above webpage leads you all the way to be trapped to take part in their quiz. There is no skill involved at all, if you answer wrong they will ask you to try again and again infinitely until you are trapped.

Sam Media is not doing a straight business and sadly our 3 Telcos are part of it, collecting the dirty money on their behalf. Our IDA is impotent and cannot differentiate right from wrong but allows scammers who skirt the law to operate freely.
If the Directors of our 3 Telcos and the IDA were to visit the above webpage and cannot see the dishonesty behind, they ought to resign. If they can, they ought to stop it and not let our fellow men be conned or used by them as collecting agents.

fafa said...

Hello.

I was just browsing through the web trying to download something and i got directed to the advertisement from sam media pte ltd. I am confused. I did not reply or subscribe and i did not in any way reveal my hp no. I wonder if I have already become a victim just by being directed to that advertisement. I do not wish to be charged unnecesarrily. I even took a snap shot of the app on iphone just in case. I called up M1 and the staff advised as long as I did not input my hp no, there should not be any problem. But i am still worried if they can hack their way in.

Sincerely
Rina

Rain said...

Hi Rina,

I should say you should be quite safe if you did not reply to the advertisement.

If you are worried, just scrutinise your next handphone bill and see if you are charged for unnecessary items.

Anonymous said...

Hello,

Thanks for blogging this good info. I've read your post and all above comment.

To summarize, SAM MEDIA PTE. LTD. is trying to cash out with getting as many mobile number as possible by giving a chance to win a lucky draw prize. The draw is not announced and no one can get to know when it happens and who won.

They charge per sms. Here is the link to their case:
http://www.ida.gov.sg/doc/Policies%20and%20Regulation/Policies_and_Regulation_Level3/Enforcement%20Decisions/Determinations%20and%20Enforcement/SamMedias_PRSCode.pdf

There is no transparency so don't participate.

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